Buondì.
Before seven a.m. this morning I was at Bologna’s Ospedale Maggiore for a ‘prelievo sangue’. It’s an imposing modern building with a helicopter pad on the top.
Ayrton Senna, perhaps the most famous Formula 1 driver of all, was air-lifted there after the accident which ended his career, and his life.
I was ‘recoverato’ (‘admitted to’, rather than the more tempting ‘recovered’) to the Stroke Unit at Osp. Magg. myself a couple of years ago. Unlike poor Ayrton, I ‘recovered‘.
Careful! That’ll translate as ‘riprendersi’, rather than the more obvious ‘recuperare’, which means to recover/get back lost time, progress, or an object.
So ‘mi sono ripreso’ – I recovered. But che confusione!
Back to ‘prelevare’. When associated with ‘sangue’ (blood) or ‘contanti’ (cash) it’s pretty easy to understand, even though, like a lot of words, it translates as different things.
‘Withdraw cash’ works fine, ‘withdraw blood’ I suppose is OK, but I’d have just said ‘a blood test’, rather than ‘a blood withdrawal’. Italians like to be more precise – the ‘blood test’ (analisi di sangue) is what happens afterwards, no?
And so it is with foreign languages. It’s not that any particular element is difficult (though some are) rather that – in these varying and incredibly complex communication systems – many, many things are done differently.
It’s only when you begin to develop a familiarity with how users of the language express meaning – which may vary wildy from the way you would do it in the language or languages you’re most familiar with – that things begin to gel.
How to survive up to that point? Well, a good approach is just to go with the flow. Don’t stress about it. Just chill, basically.
All that said, students sometimes freak out for understandable reasons, as some native speakers do, too.
Check out this photo of a section of a poster I was looking at this morning, while waiting the obligatory few minutes with my finger pressed on the hole that had just been made in my vein.
It’s from last year’s campaign aimed at reducing the stigma of HIV, ‘Parliamone’, and is a good example of the sort of grammar that bugs people, and for the same reason, as the vocabulary variations hightlighted above. It’s not DIFFICULT, per se, just unfamiliar as a way of saying something.
‘Parlare’ is ‘to speak, to talk’, so ‘Parliamo’ is ‘We’re talking’ but also, and in this case, ‘Let’s talk’.
Note that the subject pronoun ‘we’ is usually unnecessary in Italian – another thing that learners have a huge problem with.
But it’s the ‘ne’ particle added at the end that blows people’s brains out of their ears, for some reason.
‘Let’s talk about it‘ in English is expressed as the conjugated verb (parliamo) and a particle (ne), which I find efficient and simple. Once you get used to it, at least.
It’s rather like Ospedale Maggiore’s ‘prelievo sangue’ + ‘analisi di sangue’ processes in fact. I should be emailed the results by early afternoon.
But I mentioned that change can upset native speakers, too. The above photo shows a leaflet, and above that, details of an event – something to do with rapid HIV testing.
Look at the bit above the leaflet, below the dates and times, to see who’ll be attending (‘partecipare’).
There’ll be infermier*, infermier* di comunità, medic*, educatori/educatrici, psicolog*, and volontar* from the various associations involved in the campaign.
Nurses, community nurses, teachers/trainers, pyschologists, and volunteers. In English we mostly don’t user gender-specific nouns, so plurals don’t present a problem. Stick an ‘s’ on the end and, most of the time, we’re done.
In Italian, on the other hand, gender of nouns is a thing. Often there’s a male/female version of a word, for instance educatori/educatrici, but often not, at which point the noun needs to be declined according to gender.
Now here at OnlineItalianClub.com we’re proud to be woke, or as much as the next person anyway. But as language teachers (and users) we’re aware that change can provoke controversy.
I don’t know where I was when everyone agreed to start saying ‘fisher’, for instance, but it still causes me upset every time I read or hear it.
But for what reason? I’ve no idea. I’m normally fine with the idea that things change, so why not the way languages are used?
I’m still coming to terms with the way my kids use they/them/their pronouns to address a third person singular who prefers it that way. My gut doesn’t like the idea, though my brain gets it.
Why shouldn’t people get to choose their pronouns? The only reason I could think of is that English is easier the way it is, which is a poor excuse. – plenty of things in language require figuring things out from context (homophones, for instance), so why NOT innovate?
In the end, it comes down to power. Who has it, who doesn’t, and how language may or may not reflect that. It wasn’t so longer ago, remember, that any variation in the title ‘Chairman’ was laughed at. “No, you can’t be just ‘Chair’, silly woman.” I rest my case.
Anyway, the asterisks in the poster are Italian ‘woke’. I found a rather long article about it, should anyone wish to ‘approfondire’ (go deeper, maybe the ‘ne’ would be useful here?) – Un linguista spiega perché l’asterisco di genere fa infuriare così tante persone. Enjoy!
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A mercoledì.
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Felice says
Parliamone: …My first thought was “what’s wrong with ‘parliamoCI’ ” (seems I do remember something from the imperative tense); thinking about it, though, I can see the sense as it could be translated in English as “Let’s talk about it!”, and it doesn’t help that English can be slapdash (most English speakers wouldn’t bother adding the “about it”.
Daniel says
It’s ‘reference’, Felice. You can use IT or not depending on whether you wish to ‘refer’ to something else, and in my capitalized example, depending on whether you are gramatically permitted to exclude it.
‘Let’s talk/Let’s talk about it’ are not the same as ‘speech acts’, as the second refers to the topic of the conversation, while the first focuses on the verb, and that only.
Steph says
Ok Daniel, I was following along just fine until the part where everyone started saying ‘fisher’ ??? What is that? I don’t even know what language it is? Please explain!
Grazie,’
Stephanie
Daniel says
English, Steph. Oxford has this:
noun: fisher; plural noun: fishers
1.
a person who catches fish for a living or for sport.
“he was an enthusiastic fisher and hunter”
2.
a large brown marten valued for its fur, found in North American woodland where it frequently preys on porcupines.
But I remember the phrase used in the Bible, the part when Jesus was recruiting disciples… He said to them, “Follow me,
and I will make you fishers of men.”
Gotta be easier than being out in the sun all day, right?
Steph says
Your point being that people are using ‘fisher’ as a plural noun? I haven’t heard that myself.
Judy Atkinson says
Thanks very interesting Daniel, I shall read the Vice article.. I’ve also enjoyed Vera Gheno’s articles and videos on inclusive Italian.
Daniel says
I’d never heard of her. According to Wikipedia, she’s not an asterisk sort of person, prefers the schwa instead. Good luck with that! At least keyboards have an asterisk… https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vera_Gheno
Michele Baidas says
Love this article. I plan to re-read it and devote more time reading and listening to italiano. I do agree that the gender and number thing can be confusing. But there’s areas in English that are a real minefield. The phonics are horrible and my spelling of English has gone to pot since I’ve been exposed to Italian. Oh well. Bouna giornata, Daniel.
Jack says
I like your site, but is it only the group listed below that cannot leave abusive email?
‘ (U.S.A. readers, please DO NOT EMAIL ABUSE or I will block you from my email account….’
Just wondering?
Daniel says
It appears to have been only that group that ever felt the need to do so, Jack. I used to get emails, both at the club and over at EasyItalianNews.com, whenever certain topics were mentioned. The anti-abortion crowd were at least polite, the Trump-supporters less so, and the conspiracy theorist (our liberal views are funded by Soros, apparently), well… just silly.
So far it’s been quiet.
Steph says
Since we’re on the topic of weird language use, here’s one :
We were recently in Prague. I usually have a caffé latte for breakfast. In Prague you must order ‘caffe latte macchiato.’ ??? A Caffé latte is apparently an espresso with very little milk. It’s all backwards LOL.
JoAnn says
Very interesting. Loved the image and explanation of a bona fide Italian sign. Thank you much!
Lynne F says
These little differences in our languages make learning a new language more difficult, and often the cause of embarrassing mistakes when speaking with the locals. One way to become familiar with them is as you say Daniel, to read, listen and speak. ( (NO! Daniel did not pay me to say that) For example using that little word ‘ne” seems impossible at first but when it is regularly seen and heard it begins to make sense.
Regarding evolving languages , new words are introduced, some disappear and others change their meaning. I suppose it is inevitable. Some I find quite refreshing, others irritate and others well they slip into our language and in time we are all using them.
Loved the article, interesting and with the usual humour . Thanks Daniel
Daniel says
Prego!
Denise says
Thanks for the article Daniel. But how do I pronounce the asterisk? 😀
Daniel says
You could ask an Italian teacher, if you have one… But I think it’s a written form only. Someone else wrote something about people campaigning to use the schwa for gender-neutral endings, and that’s a phoneme, and an easily-pronounceable one to boot. But I’ve not noticed anyone actually using it. Could be because I mostly listen to Swedish these days…